On David Antin’s How Long Is the Present

Christian Schlegel

i have a small impatience with this assignment         which i think is maybe appropriate     i was saying to someone that i wanted to adopt a new crankier persona for when i do my own talks             of which this obviously is one though conducted in private as i used to do them     what i really want to do is go outside and walk around      the heat's broken and the sun is out

but in front of me is the task of           reviewing or maybe just encapsulating          this selected poems of david antin's  called how long is the present           edited by stephen fredman     which came out in 2014          and was published sort of heroically i guess by unm press              it's difficult because antin for me has become a completely necessary figure               someone without whom at least my current practice isn't really conceivable     (my second book consists of talk poems which are wholly dependent on antin's work)     

            so the quick biographic sketch of antin is that           he was involved in the downtown art scene              he grew up in brooklyn in the thirties and forties       went to brooklyn tech for high school then didn't totally know what he wanted to do           he had a good deal of what we'd now call STEM aptitude          his mother as he describes her was a professional widow   his father died when he was young                and antin winds up at city college and becomes interested in linguistics          which you know makes sense based on his proclivities        it was the terrain            the intersection between his interests in the technical and what he goes on to describe as the narrative  and he actually develops a theory in one of the poems of the selected   called the price           about what it means to do narrative versus story      and he seems to believe that the narrative implicates the talker that narrative creates its own occasion and its own requirements    its necessity i guess   in a way that story can be somewhat abstracted from                 or might give itself the gift of being abstracted from

so anyway he goes on to study linguistics in new york at the graduate level           but he doesn't get his phd because he becomes more and more of an art critic  he's always had this interest going back to his undergrad days       when people around him were painting         and he develops an eye for the downtown ny style            he's a sophisticated aesthetician      over time begins writing pieces in the fifties and sixties        about the artworld           back when that was a somewhat remunerative job               and he's also working as a translator he picks up a bunch of languages            there were a bunch spoken in his home as he says  and he also writes poems in the sixties         his poetry practice as it grows                        is one of                      well it's conceptual      constraint-driven         deals with collaged language you can find though they're hard to find his early books of poetry        that he wrote down on the page         or at a typewriter as he says in a closet         they're interesting you know   you can hear glimmers of the voice

but what he starts doing around 1970 is        giving improvised lectures      and they're recorded   it's actually his wife elly who by his own description is   one of or the first person to get          that the transcripts of these talks can themselves be published as poems  so the first             talking at pomona       is published in the book talking                      which contains other               i think he calls them discursive experiments                like a dialogue with elly as one example        none of those is included in this selection     then he publishes a book called talking at the boundaries                    which i think is his best                                   his first full book of talk poems           so this selection includes a few from that book                  a few from the next called tuning       where he develops an understanding of the concept of understanding        or he tries to reinvigorate our mental system by which we talk about the appreciation of other people's experience and knowledge                       through this figure of tuning    of walking with someone        because the thing we call understanding       a static framework      is limited                        and by walking with    it turns into this dynamic time bound practical endeavor       actually going with someone somewhere

in the third book excerpted     what it means to be avant garde        he talks about the story/narrative distinction i laid out earlier                        about his conception of the fringe and what he calls the white light of the center                and his own performed frustration with the idea of the avant garde                   that maybe he's not an avant gardist himselfbecause of his insistence       that he really talks about through all these poems               on the present             the ongoing     now critics and theorists of antin        they seem to really dig this part of his method                        the ongoingness

            and i basically see what he's saying here though his idea of a present is super capacious

as opposed to what he sees in avant gardism           as a bizarre demand on both past and future

            how do we make something radically new                well only if we're deeply invested in a past and a future where these things signify 

so this is all to say that           if one were to read david antin           from scratch    i would hope they would begin not with this book      this selected          but in a different way from what it posits or offers     because this book does not include the good ones   is the short answer     the good talk pieces          but the flip side is                    this is a great thing unm has done     to buoy antin   keep him alive attempt to account for the fullness of the work     but i actually think there's a  feature of antin's project that makes it more difficult to see this in the selected         his books really all that i've mentioned   and one later one published by uc     called i never knew what time it was              those books are to be read i think as books         which is so often the case with poets so we can't really slight stephen fredman here          it's just the limitation of the form

ok                                                        but even more than some people       antin thinks of his books as collections of talks that ramify   that move in a direction together     so certainly the talk piece at pomona is a landing place that antin reaches at the end of the talking experiments that comprise that first book          and you can buy that first book

i think dalkey archive has it in print                so the first thing people should do is read that

the second book talking at the boundaries is out of print      published by new dierctions

and i think people should read that one in its entirety too                 maybe i should just make a pdf of it available                       because that one is also a travelogue

it's clear that he's taking his act on the road                          and there's a feeling of journey          sorry that's cheesy but true here        it's beautiful and important that part                       if you take then some of the pieces out of their context                                as fredman has                                   and if you don't talk about the best pieces in the book                      which fredman basically admits this at the start

                                    for example     there's an antin talk in talking at the boundaries that's about a photo where DA isn't sure if it's his father or uncle

                        another section about his marriage though that's widely anthologized                     if you don't get these  you're missing the fullness of the poetry

                                                            i think people should spend time with that entire volume

i'm sorry but it's just the way of it

then there's tuning      which i think people can skip unless you're a real antin head

mostly because the metaphor of tuning          of walking together is              implicit in all the other talks   it's like a ground to the project

and there aren't the sparkling individual pieces here i've found                    except i love the one at the la book festival               where you can tell he's a lttle bit flailing in a good way

then there's what it means to be avant garde which is in print with new directions  you should read that in its entirety                 and its last poem the structuralist                       is my favorite of his

            and SF in the intro mentions that he couldn't include it                     because it's novella length

now that's the sole one i would have picked from this volume                                  so what this has really turned into is a critique of the selecting of the selected

you should also read                                      i never knew what time it was            the bernstein conversation book                    the radical coherency art crit book           but if you were a person who only has a certain amount of time                  then i would say you should read talking                        talking at the boundaries                    what it means to be avant garde 

now that's the end of the assignment             but i'd like to close with my own thought

on what it means to do talking            and read antin             what reading him has done for me     in this moment                        as i've been going through this selected  and worrying a little    because as i've gone through i've felt            well maybe i should be walking          moving my books from the old apartment to the new one          washing the sheets in the brooklyn room      i've also been watching cinda firestone's movie from the early seventies                        attica               which is a        documentary about the prison uprising          and      to amplify one bureaucratic feature of this movie               it just makes the rockefeller administration    apart from the structural terror of incarceration                     it makes them look incompetent even in their management of their cruelty

putting down something  they clearly were so threatened by                        they couldn't begin to see what it was

what i realized watching the movie was                     the people in the prison          like l d barkley             they talk because their demands were not only circulated in writing

                        but promulgated by the impartial observers of the media

            it's an extraordinary relationship to access and documentation

                        exchange of ideas from people in a prison yard through their orthogonally motivated intermediaries                     journalists who nevertheless have some commitment to what they understand to be fact   what antin would call the invention of a fact                          to a listening public

                                    and through the repressive apparatus of the state                literally through a wall

            and in listening to those men talk                   many of them Black and brown

                        about what it was to be in prison                    what it meant to be in prison

            what they were asking for in the short term

                        what those of them that survived the police assault on the prison on the third day

                                    what they saw and were forced to do i was reminded not just of the testamentary tradition of which it's part                     like shoah a decade later 

but also of the remarkable durability of talk                           even if those organizers and their words

hadn't been recorded and disseminated        they were heard by people who were doing what they could                        in a genuine revolutionary way     not in a soft liberal way           to insist first to themselves and then to the world outside the walls              that they remained people

as they say throughout the movie                  they were strengthened as a collectivity despite the privations of being in prison                by the effect of this talk        so thinking of political talk

            this revolutionary talk                          it points up the performativity and i will say maybe even at moments the preciosity of what antin does 

and it lays out that at almost exactly the same time              as when antin was making a set of    aesthetic and philosophical discoveries through talk                  there were others already doing it      antin was joining them            and pretty much he knew that

from his wide experience and reading           even though his politics got crankier              and he shifted i’d say from the radicality inherent to his work                his politics shaded away from the truly liberatory      and became cynical

            but he knew that talking lay prior to him         and at his finest he cited the antecedent talk

                        and didn't just pay his debt to it                      but went with it as a doing

            a doing with                more even than as a saying with

                                                                                                                        he went with it

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